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Old 08-30-2010, 09:13 PM   #11
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Re: Charles Krauthammer FTW

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Apparently this wasn't far enough away either...and after loosing a decades long court case, "someone" just up and stole the damn thing. Granted there is a bit of a difference considering this is federal land....



....but I can think of another piece of federal land with religious symbols on it's ground that no one has yet dared to contest.

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Old 08-30-2010, 09:17 PM   #12
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Putting it on the site of a building damaged by the 9/11 attacks is probably too close.
Some people freak out about mosques being built anywhere, but to build a megacenter for Islam within shrapnel distance of ground zero is close enough to offend the sensitivities of even moderates.
Would the US build a nuclear power plant just outside Hiroshima? It would seem in bad taste wouldn't it?
Whether it's legal or not is beyond the issue here, it's whether the organizers are tone deaf to legitimate sensitivities.

If it ends up getting built there, it won't REALLY matter. You can't actually see the location from Ground Zero. But like in many things, it's the thought that counts, and a center whose purported purpose is inter-faith understanding and tolerance is getting off on the worst possible footing by rejecting valid social concerns.

Few people are saying it should be barred by law. A lot of people are saying they hope the organizers recognize the issue and move it. Assuming they get funding and build it over tremendous protest, it'll likely be looked at as just another example of Muslims building a monument near a site of a perceived victory.
Wonder why they changed the name from Cordoba House to Park51? Cordoba was an example of religious harmony under Muslim rule. Great right?
Great unless you were Christian or Jew and your choices were pay an exorbitant tax, convert to Islam, or die. Yes, tolerance.
You would think the planners would recognize how sensitive of an issue this is for most Americans. Makes you wonder if they even care how they're perceived among the population
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:10 AM   #13
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Re: Charles Krauthammer FTW

Some facts have been misconstrued here.

1. The building was NOT damaged on 9/11, rather it was an old Burlington coat factory. The one "legal" issue many folks tried to advance is that this particular property is one of VERY few that has not been bestowed historical status (irrespective of the events on 9/11), and thus would not be able to be torn down to accommodate this mosque, or anything for that matter.

2. There WAS a Greek Orthodox church that was destroyed that did pre-exist 9/11, and too this day it has not been rebuilt on the suggestion of the New York Port authority that it be rebuilt at a different location, ironic?

3. There is no, and should not be a 'legal' Modus Operandi, however in the minds of many considering the above mentioned circumstance a lot of folks are left scratching their heads considering an apparent favoritism of one theology over another.

The issue, in my mind is the provocative nature of this Mosque/Cultural center, and even those that are most steadfastly seeking it's construction. Additionally the original name of the project, as Greeds mentioned, is far from coincidence. Cordoba Spain, and the mosque that was subsequently built there, (on top of a razed Catholic Cathedral no less) was in it's time a representation to all of Islam of the solidification of the Caliphate within Western Europe.

The "moderate" Imam that is leading this project supports the concept of a world wide Islamic Caliphate, has taken money for this project from groups such as, the Islamic Brotherhood, and Hamas both of which are considered by our own state department to be terrorist organizations. Furthermore he has stated openly and clearly his desire to see the United States, in an effort to (ostensibly) enhance our appeal to moderate Islamists, become Sharia compliant.

Odd that Sharia compliance was something that the Taliban demanded of Afghans, and is one factor relating to why we are currently at war over there. Even stranger, it would seem is this current administrations desire to 'reintegrate' the Taliban into Afghan society for purposes of national stability when they have only hardened their resolve to return Afghan society to a Sharia standard of their choosing.

Additionally, I have concerns that this mosque, as it's location is intentionally provocative will only serve to invite any number of terribly counter productive actions such as vandalism, desecration, or worse violence...let alone things none of us would care to think about. I firmly believe that the heightened possibility of such things is intentional as it relates to this project.
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Re: Charles Krauthammer FTW

I'll bow to you on this one. I have seen it both ways. Some websites have said that a piece of the wreckage landed on the site, and others have made no mention of it.
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In before the typical raze blathering about what morons the right is.
They are stupid but not because they don't want the mosque built, but because this whole thing is just so phoney.

We had 4 weeks of boring news and the cable news outlets were suffering in the ratings. No health care town hall meetings this summer, the BP oil spill story was old, and the election was months away. They had to make up some phoney controversy so get ratings back, so here we are.

When this was first announced, no one cared about the mosque 2 blocks away from Ground Zero. 2 blocks in New York might as well be 2 miles. This was only picked up because the pundits ran out of stuff to talk about.

I don't care if muslims want to build a mosque to worship some magic man in the sky, I also don't care if it doesn't get built. To me, it's two sides filled with morons battling this out - right wing America vs religious Islam.

It is interesting that this worked exactly how the right wing wanted it to in an election year. There's no doubt Republicans win elections on fear. In 2004, it was gays, god, and guns. Now that those 3 are old, they've switched to xenophobia. This year it's illegals from Mexico, Muslim mosques, and black Presidents. If Democrats win, it's usually on a hopeful platform. If Republicans win, it's usually on a fearful platform. This phoney mosque issue was all the right wing needed to rally its base.
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